MD: OK, I've also noticed that within rap music there's often quite a racial divide, people say "White boys can't MC". I've had people come up to me when I DJ and they think it's strange to see a white person DJ'ing Hip-Hop. Can white people do graffiti?

Falco: Let me tell you this, most of the graffiti artists in the world are white. In Europe it's mainly white people doing it. OK, there are a lot of immigrants but still most of the best writers are white. In America sure you've got Latinos and the brothermen doing it. A lot of the best DJ's are white to be honest with you. The same goes for b-boying. And the same people who say they are into Hip-Hop but only listen to rap music are the same people that say "ja, fuck the white devil". But what they don't know is that the 'white devil' or person, is the one that controls the whole music industry. They are the people giving the shit to them so that's where their ignorance comes in again. They don't know the logistics of how they're getting their stuff and who's involved. When I was in Europe I got lekker respected. At first I also thought it was only a "black thing" but when I went there I saw it differently - I saw that I had it to hand it to those boys. You got to give respect because it's not easy for them. Especially in Cape Town, its not easy for a white guy to fit in. You're always going to be drukked, the whole time. Once these big graffiti artists from Germany came down to Cape Town and went to a club in Mitchell's plain. And there was this one fucked up dude who was part of the Nation of Islam business long ago. Now these writers paid for themselves to come to South Africa to come help us out because we're a struggling Hip-Hop community. And this guy went and drukked a stuk cigarette beweeging on one of the writers hands saying "get away you white fucker". And I won't lie to you - the rest of the Hip-Hop community fucked that guy up because of his ignorance. It was really stupid.

MD: Damn. I noticed you said that you've both been to Europe?

Mak: Nope, just him.

Falco: Yup, I've been to Sweden, France, Belgium and Germany...

MD: So did you collaborate with any international artists?

Falco: Ja, ja I met quite a few writers but I wasn't there for long though so we didn't really have time.

MD: On the same topic, there seems to be quite a difference between the American definition of Hip-Hop culture and the European definition. What do you think?

Falco: I'd say... in Europe they're more for real, they put more emphasis on all the aspects, in America its more the rap and that. There is a lot of the old school that's trying to keep it real but in Europe they're very dedicated, in my opinion.

MD: Where do you think Hip-Hop as a culture is going?

Falco: Down the drain. Quick, fast and in a hurry. Graffiti you can't really place, but rap music...

Mak: Ja, if it keeps going they way it is now... it's most definitely going nowhere. The few brothers that are keeping it real are struggling to keep it up, while others just don't give a fuck. And you know what causes a lot of this downfall in Hip-Hop? The Levi's...

Falco: (laughs) Waar kom jy uit nou bra?

Mak: Naah, I'm joking a bit...

MD: So, why is it going down the drain?

Falco: Media, media, media. In Cape Town there's a radio show on Radio Good Hope with a DJ from Durban that has an American accent! And when he DJ's on the radio he's like (puts on fake American accent) "Yo, Wassup Cape Town, Yeah, Yeah, We keeping it real, Wesside!" I didn't know my radio could pick up American radio stations! (laughs)

MD: So it's also people not being original?

Falco: Ja, especially stations like Good Hope which have such a big influence in Cape Town. And you know who else? Those Studio Mix motherfuckers... while I'm at it - Studio Mix and Jam Alley and... all the "black" programs where the presenters have American accents.

Mak: How did they get it? Come from a township and come here?

Falco: That is the problem because they are the icons, people look up to them. You know, if you're a well known personality people look up to you. So they think "It's OK, he's talking like that on TV, why can't I talk like that? Falco, he's just mos a local bobbejaan, he's telling me not to be like that, who the fuck is he? I'm going to be like this man on TV." I'm into Hip-Hop and I don't even speak like that. The only terminology I use is to communicate. I've been listening to rap music all my life man and I don't even talk like that. We use it when we have fun and talk shit to each other. But people take it too serious man, and that's where it's fucking up. It can be part of your life, but don't let the fad grow on you too much.